Saturday, 22 January 2022

Bruns Metal Barrel Puzzle

Andriy, aka ‘Engineer Bruns’ has been making and selling machined metal puzzles from his web shop for a few years now. He’s been producing some curiosities (cube-in-cube-in-cube-in-cube anyone?) and ornaments (I couldn’t resist a copy of the Bender-like figurine) and then recently he began selling a puzzle of his own design in the form of a mini oil barrel – so I signed up for one because I was keen to encourage him to explore his own designs.[When you order something it goes on the list to be made, by hand, so expect to have to wait a bit for your personally made puzzles.] 

What’s clear from the extensive library of YouTube videos is that Bruns knows his stuff – there’s a fair amount of teaching and techie stuff about metal lathe work that I’m not going to profess to understand the half of, but it’s clear he’s doing something he loves – and he’s doing it really well! [Fair warning: if you watch any of the videos of Bruns making his puzzles you'll also see their solutions.]

The Metal Barrel Puzzle is just that – designed to resemble a scaled down 44-gallon drum, it’s a little aluminium barrel – complete with a BRUNS logo and a cap engraved on the lid… it looks great, but what’s it like as a puzzle I hear you ask…

Well first of all, let me point out the obvious: I’m writing about it – so I like it. (I don’t write about puzzles I don’t like, remember?) Secondly, having solved it, I immediately wanted to tell my mates about it because I thought it was a great puzzle… so there you go – you needn’t bother reading the rest, really.

Starting out, this little guy gives away just the slightest clue to where you start making some progress… and if you don’t explore enough, you won’t get any further…

Once you find how to make some progress you might think you’re onto a winner and this puzzle is going to yield its secrets in no time at all… only it’s going to kick you in the teeth and stop you dead in your tracks… time to THINK(c).

Having thunk you may indeed make some further progress, only to...(you guessed it!) be stuck dead in your tracks all over again… and this time you’re going to have to really THINK(c)!

When you do manage to get this little guy opened you’re rewarded with a full view of all of the innards (which I suspect will be simpler than you’ve imagined them to be!) and a Bruns original Skynet coin – from the future! :-)

What I really like about this puzzle is the number of times it forces you to stop and think – you think you understand things only to realise that you don’t and you’re forced to start THINKing all over again… that's what I really like in my puzzles, and Bruns delivers in this one, beautifully.

Here’s hoping that he’s suitably encouraged to continue experimenting with his own new puzzle designs!

Saturday, 15 January 2022

Mind the Gap

Back in December Andrew Coles announced that he had a new design that he was almost ready to inflict on the public. He offered a few of us the chance to purchase an early copy and given just how different Lock Out was, I immediately sent him some PayPal to secure a copy… and not long after I had a big old hunk of brass in my paws.

Mind the Gap is another Abus lock that Andrew has modified into being a trick lock. This one has a hefty straight shackle that passes between two extended bits of the main body of the lock (apparently this is a shutter-style lock) – it looks like it means business – and if it doesn’t intimidate you at least a bit, you’re clearly a locksmith. For the most part it doesn’t look like it’s been heavily modified, although there is a screwhead that looks a little incongruous, suggesting that all is perhaps not quite what it may seem.

The lock and a pair of keys on the customary AC key fob come inside one of Andrew’s gold embossed velvet bags. The little card that accompanies the lock asks you to fully open the shackle… which is interesting, normally you wouldn’t need any form of qualification in an instruction like that… but there must be a reason… surely.

…and indeed there is – it becomes apparent as soon as you insert one of the keys into the lock and turn it – the shackle spits out, just a little, and stops right there… which sort of feels like progress, only now you have a bit of a puzzle to solve. The locky bit has done its thing, yet nobody in their right mind would describe this shackle as being fully open…

And it turns out that’s the start of a lovely little journey into Andrew’s wonderfully creative world. Lock out used something wonderfully unique in trick locks, and dare I say it, Mind the Gap continues that tradition.

There’s fun and games with lots of things to discover along the way and before you ultimately get the shackle all the way open (albeit still trapped – and that’s right). The good news is that resetting this little puppy isn’t entirely trivial and does need you to keep some of your wits about you…

Once again Andrew has produced something totally new in a puzzle lock – something that will amuse even the most jaded of trick lock afficionados.

Saturday, 8 January 2022

EPP 2021

You should all already know all about Peter’s Annual End of year Puzzle Party (EPP) – he’s been running them for years and I’ve blogged about them more than a few times in the past… the last Thursday in 2021 saw 30-odd folks (yup, some of us are pretty odd! – I might as well get in there before you do…) gathering from literally around the world via Zoom to present our top three puzzling acquisitions of 2021 and enjoy some gentle banter and light entertainment.

We started off with some general catching up given that most of us haven’t seen one another in real life for about two years now. There was some housekeeping (generally begging everyone to put themselves on mute when they weren’t actually talking -wanna take bets on how well that went?!) and a rough run through of the agenda before we launched into each presenting our top three picks.

I abused my chair’s privilege to go first and introduced my three top acquisitions of the year as:

Brass Monkey 5: This was easily the puzzle that has given me the most joy this year – firstly in solving it (I literally cried with laughter) and then chatting with friends around the world as they solved it. If you don’t already know what all of the fuss is about, you need to get one!

Sequential Discovery Cubed Box:  Juno manages to cram a wonderfully whimsical journey of discovery into an innocent-looking wooden cube. The first move is a delightfully insistent invitation to play – it just gets better and better. Some wonderfully innovative tools and locks lead to the final compartment with plenty of puzzling pleasure along the way.

Jack’s Tippenary Mystery Tour: A veritable Tardis of a puzzle box – Jack has literally broken the laws of nature cramming all that puzzling into a box this small. A series of challenges results in the appearance of a badly-behaved old friend you may have been expecting – work out why and you’ll discover even more.

This year Peter had once again allowed us a fourth nomination for a commercially available puzzle and I used that ticket to nominate Abraham’s Well: Brian Young’s latest sequential discovery tour de force. Peeling back the layers of this onion will give any puzzler a massive sense of achievement – finding a way to do it with virtually no force whatsoever is the crowning achievement. Brilliant engineering meets superb craftsmanship in this elaborate, yet compact, challenge.

From there I did my best to step between all of the puzzlers from Japan in the east to the US west coast… with everyone presenting their top three or four picks, and then giving the occasional shout out to any other puzzles deserving of special mention for others to look into. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one frantically scribbling notes as we went through the pics noting down the puzzles that others thought were awesome that I hadn’t played with yet…

As usual the nominations ran the gamut from simple plastic keychain puzzles right up to some glorious creations costing literally several thousand… yet the one thing they all shared was that they’d made a puzzler’s year – I always like listening to puzzlers talking about why specific puzzles are special to them – whether that be how it makes them feel when they solve them, or how they managed to get hold of something that they’d been after for ages…

In between the nominations we had a couple of breaks for libations and other important matters. James gave us a bit of a tour of his merely jaw-dropping (remaining) collection of Berrocal’s, 500 selected puzzles and the swaps and spares that didn’t end up in George and Rox’s Museum. At the end of the tour James asked anyone who might have spare copies of any old Pentangle puzzles, particularly the dexterity puzzles, so that he could put together a complete collection of them for his son… if anyone has any, please do get in touch.

After the second break Clive entertained us with an excellent magic effect, and then Angelo Carbone gave us a short talk showcasing one of his newer inventions and explained one of his older ones that uses a rather puzzling box as it’s centrepiece… it’s clear why Peter’s so keen to encourage him to turn his hand to designing puzzle boxes after seeing that explanation.

At the end of the nominations, Peter took over proceedings and announced the winners:

Juno’s Sequential Discovery Cubed Box came in first place, with Jack’s Tippenary Mystery Tour coming second and Brian’s’ Abraham’s Well coming third.

Juno also took the title for Best Designer and for Most Prominent Craftsman – giving him an elegant hat-trick, for the first time in the history of Peter’s EPPs – an awesome achievement!

After the formal proceedings wound down, a bunch of folks hung around to chat a bit more – it definitely had the feel of the final night at an IPP where nobody wanted to admit that it was over for another year… it was super to catch up with everyone for a bit…

Thanks to Peter for organising another grand EPP!

Saturday, 1 January 2022

2021 Christmas Puzzle Puzzle Solution

[Yup - SPOILERS!] 

I guess it’s traditional for me to explain my Christmas puzzle round about now, so here goes…

This year’s puzzle was a bit different – for one thing, you actually had to do some work before you even got hold of the real puzzle, but in my defence, I did try and leave some breadcrumbs!

First of all there was the colourful text – that was quite unusual for my blog… and then there were some stray bits of capitalisation – collect all the unexpected capitals and you were told to “LOOK CLOSER”… which considered with the colours was leading you to look at the blog text – where each para had some stray text after it in white on white – which is either visible when highlighted or if you’re looking at the page source code… that resolves to “” and if you pop that into a browser you’ll find yourself looking at a vaguely familiar format for my Christmas Puzzles..


That gives you instructions ("I want a three digit number") and some clues in the form of text and pictures… the flavourtext gives some helpful clues referring to “times”, “competitive” and “initially” … and if you look VERY closely at the bottom right of the frame around the pics you’ll see some text saying “Thanks Nick & John”. Hopefully you’ll recognise a couple of the puzzles among the sixteen and realise they’ve all been entries in the annual Puzzle Design Competition (latterly the Nob Yoshigahara Puzzle Design Competition) which is run by Nick Baxter and hosted on John Rausch’s website… which makes sense of the “competitive” reference and the “Thanks Nick & John” note.

Now you’re in the familiar territory of having to find data points on all of the puzzles in the grid, which you can do by using the search functionality on John’s website – if you put in blank search parameters it will list all of the entries by year…

If you start doing this and work your way through the grid you’ll notice that they’re almost perfectly in alphabetical order, perhaps except for the first entry if you didn’t use it’s full name… which is “(Now they know how many holes it takes to fill) The L-Bert Hall”. If you list all the puzzle names and the years they entered (“times” :-) ), you’ll notice that the entry years are unique, which is handy and provides a natural order, which can’t be a coincidence. [Orientation of the pics was just me being a b@stard!]

Ordering the puzzle names by entry year and focusing just on the first letters (“initially”) provides the following text: “WELLDONEBURRMUDA”, or if you add a few spaces “WELL DONE BURRMUDA”. Hopefully the “WELL DONE” bit gave you some confidence that you were on the right track… then you just needed to work out how to get a three-digit number out of that… and hopefully it wasn’t too much of a stretch to realise that Burrmuda was a Stewart Coffin design (and not a country) and he always gives his designs a number – Burrmuda happened to be 112, which in turn happens to be a three-digit number, the final confirmer.

Massive congratulations to Brendan Perez who was the first person to crack my puzzle in just under 12 hours from publication, while navigating Christmas duties! Around four hours later he was joined on the podium by Steve Canfield (who went to a lot more trouble than I’ve ever gone to for his first Christmas puzzle – check it out!). The final spot on the podium was taken by Mike Quigley later on Boxing Day morning, with Steve Nicholls hot on his heels (possibly due to some collaborative work there). Amy and Josh were the final two solvers later on boxing Day and then we’ve had no more people solve it since then… so you should all consider yourselves a rarefied bunch of puzzlers – well done! And thanks for playing along!!

Some goodies from my drawer of swaps will be heading out to the first three places shortly.

[Thanks to Nick & John for providing the fodder for the hunt and to Nick for checking my work.]

The list of puzzles for anyone who’s interested, in order of entry year:

  • Walk of Ladybird
  • Edge Corner Cube
  • Loris
  • Little Maze N’ Cubes
  • Dipole Dilemma
  • Othogenesis
  • (Now they know how many holes it takes to fill) The L-Bert Hall
  • Easy Eight, Hard Eight
  • Barb’s Cube
  • UFO
  • Road Blocks
  • Rising Sun
  • Moulin Rouge
  • Unicum
  • Double Cube
  • Axes and Hammer
Fun fact: I hadn't intended or even realised that the puzzles were pretty much in alphabetical order in the grid - and only when someone pointed it out did I realise that it was the result of InDesign's 'Place' function - when you place a bunch of selected files in one go, they go in alphabetically by filename - and I had the puzzle names at the start of the filenames.

Saturday, 25 December 2021

The 2021 Christmas post

WelL I never! HOw did that happen? It’s Christmas! Time to kick Off your shoes and see what Santa left in your stocKing… even if it’s all still a wee bit weird, with COVID, and stuff…    bit.

Some things change. Some things don’t. Some things shouldn’t.     ly/

Either way, I wish you and your Clan a wonderfulLy Merry Christmas tOgether, and a fantaStically healthy, yEt puzzling, New YeaR.     allard

25122021   ;-)

Merry Christmas folks!

Wednesday, 15 December 2021


We hosted our sixth Virtual Midlands Puzzle Party last weekend as the world was coming to terms with the latest Coronavirus variant. As we lurched from one level of lock-down and restrictions on international travel to another, it was probably inevitable that we’d be holding another MPP virtually… which is a bit of a let-down for the usual gang who can’t get together in person to wind one another up, but it does mean that we can get together with our friends from quite literally around the world – and they didn’t disappoint!

For the first session we had Stefan join from Wyoming where it was 3am and Louis T joining from New Zeeland where it was 11pm – and that’s not to mention our regulars Tyler, Ken and Brian from almost as far away.

As has now become customary, we ran three sessions spread out during the course of the day in Great Britainland – with a couple of two-hour breaks between sessions to allow for refuelling and caffeinating.

The first half of the morning session was a bit of round table chat on how we’d got into puzzling – I was definitely one of the relative newbies in the class as a collector of merely a single decade… with some admitting to having been hooked for up to 5 decades – which is an awfully long time to have spent puzzled!

After that round of chit chat Jack Krijnen stepped up to present his work on creating his Phoenix Family Burr set (which you can read about over here). Jack had intended to deliver his presentation at the Dutch Cube Day a couple of weeks ago, but the latest Covid guidance led the organisers to re-think the idea of herding a large number of adults into a small classroom for the usual lectures… DCD’s loss was our gain as Jack offered to do the presentation for us seeing as how it was already all teed up. It wasn’t a hard offer to consider!

Jack had taken a series of photographs literally all the way through the process of making every single aspect of the burr sets: from making the sticks for the burr pieces through to making the inlaid Phoenix on the box lids… Jack showed us his workspace and the different tooling used for the various processes – it’s really humbling to see what someone with a modest amount of space (and obviously shed-loads of talent) can produce with a few bits of hobbyist machinery. I’d always imagined a need for big heavy pieces of machinery but Jack manages to get away with literally just table-top devices and a lot of ingenuity.

Before I saw Jack’s presentation, I thought I appreciated the amount of work and care that had gone into the burr set but I’m afraid I was massively underestimating it – having seen the extent of the process, I’m gobsmacked.

After his presentation there was plenty of time for Q&As around his choices of process, how he’d chosen the piece selection (carefully! – given some of the designs require the different axes to be coloured differently to enforce unique solutions) and a discussion about how a presentation like this really didn’t work for his sequential discovery boxes. <D’Oh! Spoiler Alert!>   Thanks Jack!

…after a lunch break for those of us in Greater Britain, and an opportunity to wake the dog and take him out for an early morning walk in Wyoming, we reconvened for the afternoon session. Peter Hajek had agreed to give us a 15-minute talk on some of the puzzles in his new book on puzzle boxes “Enter if You Can: The Art of Puzzle Boxes.” To be honest when he said he’d give us 15 minutes I was hoping it would be a lot longer, but I didn’t want to scare him off so we went with that… and then we sort of let him go and just talk about a topic that he is clearly very passionate about in the hope that he’d use up a lot more than his 15 minutes… like I said – he’s clearly very passionate about the topic!

He talked about some of the thinking behind the book and what he was hoping to achieve with it, and then stepped through each of the main sections pausing to give a little colour on what they contained, mentioning particular favourites and then pointing out a little easter egg he was rather proud of: did you notice the pages are sandwiched between two pictures of a pair of trick opening bookends – one open and one closed?

After the canter through the book he showed us a spoiler-free teaser of the locked version of the book before showing us a couple of recent arrivals in the shape of rather unusual variations on a couple of the puzzles featured in the book… only for Peter W to produce a similarly unusual version from his cabinet in Canada to show Peter.

Once again, we had plenty of time for folks to quiz Peter, ask his opinions and soak up some of the deep knowledge he’s clearly amassed on the topic that he so obviously adores – Thanks Peter!

The second half of the afternoon slot was given over to a Wotsit quiz run by Rob and Frank… Wotsits for those not in the know are things we tease puzzlists with by asking them to work out what these things are and giving vaguely unhelpful clues to lead them astray. Obviously this works best with things that aren’t immediately obvious what they are unless you happened to have seen one before (else it’s a pretty short game and not really much fun!). Rob’s been collecting Wotsits for a while now and has a couple of crates of them to amuse visiting puzzlists – there are usually a bunch lurking around whenever you visit him.  

He'd chosen a bunch of nicely obscure items to display to all, answer some questions and then Frank would put up the multiple-choice answers for us to choose from – it was remarkable how many of them involved hamsters! Pretty much all of the items produced a jolly good laugh either during the introduction and questioning, or when reading the potential answers, or afterwards when trying to work out how some of the wrong answers could be made to work. Thanks Rob – that was a good laugh!

The evening session saw the reappearance of the Toorenburg following a bit of kip, and he treated us to views of the antipodean museum and shop and even a quick wander around outside to show us the stunning setting… mental note: must go visit Louis and Sue over there!

Our first event in the evening session was an update from George and Roxanne on the developments at the Puzzle Palace Museum(s) – and while Rox was downplaying the progress since her last update, there’s clearly been a heck of a lot more work and things are looking quite nicely squared away almost everywhere.

There was a special mention of the Bulgarian burr-ish tables that now adorn most of the rooms in the museum from a firm called Praktrik – I’d seen a couple of their designs online and it was fab to see them in a proper puzzling context in the museum – they definitely look the part and fit in with all the other puzzling goodness in there… definitely worth the extensive assembly efforts that some of them demanded - good job George!

We also got to hear about the documentary film that had just been shot about George and Rox and their work on the museum – definitely something to keep an eye out for in about 6- or 8-months’ time… Thanks guys!

The final event of the day was a quiz that Marc had pulled together for us with a little help from Frank… Marc had been teed up to present it all but he got called away to an emergency on the internet at the end of the afternoon session and was looking at not being able to be there for his slot in the evening session – so Frank picked up the reins, brushed up on how Marc has set things up and got ready to present the quiz for Marc… only for Marc to re-join us at almost the perfect time and let Frank off… I suspect that wasn’t the sort of excitement that any of us was hoping for!

Marc ran a highly entertaining quiz that saw questions on hamsters (obviously!), IPP geography (albeit we had a complaint from the pedant corner the following morning pointing out that one of our answers had been wrong – SERIOUSLY?! – If there was only one wrong, I’d be thoroughly AMAZED!). There was a Dickens or Chickens round (do you know your Dickens from your chickens?) and a lot of fun with definitions of words you probably don’t use every day – aphthong or aglet anyone? (Apparently the former is not a Brass Monkey in skimpy lingerie – get that image out of your head! – You’re welcome!)

At the end of a hotly-contested battle Steve came out on top, followed closely by Tamsin and George B – although I may well have got that wrong given the pseudonyms being used – no doubt someone will correct me!

All in all, another excellent quiz worthy of the good belly laughs it produced – cheers Marc (and Frank-in-reserve!).

Links to the videos for those who couldn’t make it / slept through any of the sessions:

Morning session

Afternoon session

Evening session

Saturday, 4 December 2021

Lunsford’s Lovelies

Alan Lunsford has been selling little 3D printed sequential discovery puzzles through his Etsy shop for a while now… but I’ve struggled to purchase any of them given they’re so darned popular. A little while back Louis gave me a set of Alan’s Cop Out puzzles and I thought they were quite fun, so I’ve been keeping an eye on his shop for new stock and finally managed to order myself a copy of Mighty Pin and Bolt Action a few weeks ago… and I rather like them both!

They’re both 2 inches cubed, quite light and they rattle a lot! Definitely a sign of a whole lot of puzzling stuff going on inside there… each comes with a little instruction card setting out the goal and some handling suggestions like “Don’t use external tools” and “Store below 40 degrees Celsius” – this being England, I can probably safely ignore at least one of those instructions! :-) Alan’s puzzles are all beautifully printed with neatly embossed names – these guys look good and invite you to play with them…

So let’s dive in – starting with Bolt Action which has a protruding bolt just above the name, along with a number of intriguing looking holes scattered around the sides of the cube. One large hole has a coin peeking out of it which is either a 3D printed AL token if you’re ordering from outside the US, or a US quarter if you’re inside the USA (thanks to the joys(not!) of shipping anything internationally with currency inside it).

Given that bolt is just begging for some action – heck, it’s even in the title – you might as well have at it… and remove the little guy – and that starts a wonderful little journey that sees you finding a bunch of tools and some very interesting ways to use them… every now and then you’ll find yourself wondering how the heck to progress but a careful inspection of the tools and the various combinations of holes and other little interesting features will have you heading in the right direction without chasing your tail too much. (I’m here all day…)

Releasing the coin is a fun action and you might well be tempted to think you’re all done, but a reminder from the little instruction card will have you searching for something to make you smile… and you’ll realise that you’re actually a little way from finishing this puzzle… the final step is a lovely little surprise that really should make you smile… and then pop it all back together again for the next puzzlist.

Mighty Pin also has a bolt sticking out of the side of it, a number of oddly shaped holes around the various sides of the cube, and it too has a square window with a token/coin peeking through it. Interestingly this one seems to be made up of two halves which wiggle a bit relative to one another, but definitely won’t come apart…

Once again, you might as well start with that rather prominent protruding bolt and see where that takes you…

This time things really start to move and if you’re careful, you might even find the puzzle’s little namesake. The discoveries and wonderfully engineered uses for the various tools you find along the way will definitely test your puzzling chops, and probably your test your boldness too…

By the end of the journey you really do have to smile at Alan’s ingenuity and just how precisely every little aspect of this is thought out - you have to follow the path he’s laid out for you, and each step along the way is a positive one – you’re never asked to just wing it on a prayer – trust me on that one and you won’t find yourself down an alley you might struggle to back out of!

Another delightful little journey all crammed into eight cubic inches of 3D printed goodness.

…all of which really makes me want to get my hands on a copy of Unsafe Deposit somehow…

Sunday, 28 November 2021

Gear Box

A couple of months ago I’d asked Wil to send me a couple of things off his latest update and at the end of my note, I’d asked him if there was “anything else that I just had to buy at the moment…” He duly replied to tell me that he did indeed have something that I ought to buy and by coincidence it didn’t have a name yet, so he’d decided that it would be called the “Anything Else Box” – and as Wil has never once given me a bad suggestion, I added it to the order and eagerly awaited its arrival.

A few days later I found a handsome box with twelve intriguing gears on the lid – there are three rows, with each row having four meshed gears – and a set of connectors ensures that the navigating pins are ganged together between the rows – so the pins in a specific column all need to move up and down in unison… which is great because it dramatically cuts down on the possible moves at any one point in the process… and it also means that you need to go through quite a few moves to find a solution…

It seems pretty clear that this is a box, and that by manipulating those gears and their connectors, you should be able to unlock the lid… in its fully locked state, the connectors are in a position that allows the acrylic lid to slot neatly into place – ensuring that if you want it neat and tidy, you’re probably at the furthest possible state from being able to actually open the thing… nice touch!

Remove the lid (– that’s not supposed to be part of the puzzle, Nick!) and begin to fiddle with those gears – given the paths through the gears, it looks like you’ll be wanting to get all of the gears pretty much to the opposite ends of their travel… and that you’ll need to both rotate them and manipulate those connectors… however, being meshed gears within the rows, they will obviously move in opposite directions to their neighbour – which means you really need to keep a cool head when you’re trying to work out which way you’re wanting things to go at any point… and you will need to think about that quite a lot in my experience.

I’m pretty sure those paths and the order of the gears are constructed to confuse – I found myself going backwards and forwards several times as I thought I was heading in the right direction only to find that I should have done something else before this particular set of moves to release a later move, so I’d need to backtrack and try again…

…and there was a whole lot of backtracking because I kept finding myself up against a position that couldn’t be improved from where I was…

…and in spite of all that backtracking, I still didn’t find myself getting into that normal Zen-space of mindlessly navigating an n-ary puzzle – this one kept me on my toes all the way through and it almost felt like you were having to work things from first principles the whole time…

When you do finally get to where you think you want to be, there’s a sneaky little step at the end that might leave you confused for a while once again until you finally release the locking mechanism and open the box – and at that point you really do need to admire Jean-Claude’s impressively efficient design that puts all of the mechanism inside a really slim lid… which leaves LOTS of space for putting something surprising inside the box for the next puzzlist to discover.

A damn fine recommendation from Wil that’s now more widely available as the Gear Box – it’s always going to be the Anything Else Box for me though…